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Post by sidecar on Nov 27, 2017 0:18:07 GMT
I've seen a couple of these builds on. Thievy McLoven was one of them, and has graciously helped me with this build. There is a couple feats im still unsure of, any input is appreciated. And he needs a cool name too.
Song of Misery - Bard 36 / SD 2 / BG 2
Halfling ( lucky, small stature)
Bard - any non lawful
SD - dodge, mobility, hide/ms10, tumble 5
BG - any evil, hide 5, cleave(str13, power attack)
Stats
Str 12
Dex 16
Con 14
Wis 8
Int 14
Chr 14
Skills - All Maxed on bard levels - Hide, MS, Perform, Spellcraft, Tumble, UMD
Level 1 -Feat Bard 1 - Dodge,
Level 2 -Skill5 Bard 2 -
Level 3 -Feat Bard 3 - Mobility
Level 4 -Stat Bard 4 - Str 13 -
Level 5 - Bard 5 -
Level 6 -Feat Bard 6 - curse song
Level 7 -Skill10 Bard 7 -
Level 8 -Stat Bard 8 - Con 15 -
Level 9 -Feat Bard 9 - extra music
Level 10 - Bard 10 -
Level 11 - Bard 11 -
Level 12 -Skill15 Stat Feat Bard 12 -Con 16 - power atack
Level 13 - Bard 13 -
Level 14 - Bard 14 -
Level 15 -Feat - Bard 15 - cleave
Level 16 -Stat - SD 1 - Con 17 -
Level 17 -Skill20 SD 2 -
Level 18 -Feat BG 1 - extend spell
Level 19 - BG 2 -
Level 20 -Stat Bard 16 - Con 18 -
Level 21 -Feat Bard 17 - Epic Con 19
Level 22 -Skill25 Bard 18 -
Level 23 - Bard 19 -
Level 24 -Stat Feat Bard 20 - Con 20, Epic Con 21
Level 25 - Bard 21 -
Level 26 - Bard 22 -
Level 27 -Feat Skill30 Bard 23 - EDR 1, Lasting Inspiration
Level 28 -Stat Bard 24 - Chr 15
Level 29 - Bard 25 -
Level 30 -Feat Bard 26 - EDR 2, ESF Hide
Level 31 - Bard 27 -
Level 32 -Skill35 Stat Bard 28 - Chr 16
Level 33 -Feat Bard 29 - EDR 3, ESF Perform
Level 34 - Bard 30 -
Level 35 - Bard 31 -
Level 36 -Feat Stat Bard 32 - Chr 17, Epic Fotritude , ESF MS
Level 37 -Sk40 Bard 33 -
Level 38 - Bard 34 -
Level 39 -Feat Bard 35 - Epic Will , Epic Reflex
Level 40 -Stat Bard 36 - Chr 18
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Post by mcbutcher on Nov 27, 2017 7:06:44 GMT
Name I think would be fun to have to do with its main ability which is curse song.
Song of Death, Song of Misery, or something fun like Fight Music lol
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Post by psv38 on Nov 27, 2017 20:53:30 GMT
Unless you are going for a high ac build, do not take armor skin, that would be a waste of a feat.
Depending on what your saves are looking at, epic fort/reflex/will are always helpful on a build like that.
Epic skill focus discipline could be useful as well.
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Post by sidecar on Nov 27, 2017 22:01:36 GMT
I like song of misery!
would ESF discipline for only 10 points to disc be worth it? without the armor skin feat there would be enough feats for epic fort and will. i'm finding he has a high ac with tumble and access to a sheilds and monk boots. but im no game master to gauge if its good ac or not. I updated it for will, fort and reflex.
I am having fun with it, clone widget seems to be the ticket. pull a mob together with hips, drop a drone for baddies to focus on, and sing away.
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Post by psv38 on Nov 27, 2017 23:57:30 GMT
Well, why did you take sd if you wanted to go for high ac? And what do you mean by high ac?
Endgame mobs easily will have 75+ ab, for instance I play an air elemental in Trighton Courtyard with 93 ac and I get spanked all the time.
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Post by sidecar on Nov 29, 2017 13:31:22 GMT
i have no idea whats good ac. I'm just sharing and getting input to make it better, and i dont have this toon to 40 yet.... I tend to die a lot. I think tumble maxed,some dex, any armor, shield, monk ac boots, and song would make for some good ac?
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Post by mcbutcher on Nov 29, 2017 16:54:09 GMT
Don't bother with AC, it's a sneaker.
Only need like 10 tumble, bard song will increase it enough and that's for prevention of attack of opportunity
Discipline you will need max
Hide and move silent as well perform and spellcraft maxed, can shave some off hide and move silent to make sure the rest are maxed
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Post by donojono on Dec 2, 2017 22:01:54 GMT
Did you raise cha to 18 for saves? otherwise not sure if you need cha above 15, hide and ms comes very easy for the build but depending on your gear set up.
how would you gear this toon?
Dagger = the gambler ?
Robes = bands of shadow ?
boots = con boots + 5/ true storm travellers or better.
cloak = conscriptors or true cloak of the nymph
Shield = Rygars last stand.
ring = Greater/epic ring of elemental resistance and True ring of Resistance or ultimate skin hardening.
Belt = Ancient dwarven belt or belt of the cloud giant.
AMulet = amulet of will + 8 (fear immune)
Gloves = epic bard gloves with dis or the ones with spell slots.
Helm = Crown of manoera/ rage helm/ greater helm of power.
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Post by mcbutcher on Dec 3, 2017 8:14:02 GMT
Charisma for saves yes.
Damage resistance and ele resistance for defence then worry about hide gear. As song adds a lot of skills anyway
Make sure you have enough perform for level 36 bard song
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Post by psv38 on Dec 3, 2017 21:18:45 GMT
what is a conscriptor cloak?
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Post by jonlun on Dec 3, 2017 22:01:31 GMT
Pretty sure he means conspiritors
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Post by psv38 on Dec 3, 2017 23:33:12 GMT
I always liked rings of survival, some type of drop con ammy (there are several), and rhule bracers.
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Post by donojono on Dec 4, 2017 20:11:00 GMT
what about harper ammy for the + 7 mind saves and 5/ magic, I would drop ESF hide and MS, they are a safety net but once the gear drops it will outclass them, and instead fit in iron will and great fort if possible
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Post by angryanderson on Dec 25, 2017 20:55:15 GMT
Started one of these - Lady Blah Blah!
Dagger/Shield or Sling/Shield?
Dropping ESF Hide and ESF MS from build above will allow ESF Discipline and 1 other - Any recommendations, such as Blind Fight?
Ages since I played but do you stop UMD, Spellcraft or other skill before skill rank 40 as points wasted? If only Tumble 10 needed, presumably then put points in discipline, can you still max all skills reqd, or should Hide/MS be left slightly below max as gear can make up in the end?
Bards are hard work to level unless in party - already finding that, but quickly getting back into the swing of the game.
Any top tips on what has changed over the last few years that might help?
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Post by sidecar on Jan 26, 2018 22:42:02 GMT
I use a dagger or sling with shield. I think more end game is dagger with + to hide and MS. The bard song is great to pump skills, with one point in OL and song, it can open a lot of doors, or other skill checks. Be easy to put 1 point into crafting, use song and an item to make anything. I put the rest of stats to CHR for the + to saving throws so i can save item spots for other stuff. Im only failing saves with a 1 for most 40th areas ive been to, with not save items equipped or save spells.
After some play, a few small revisions:
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Song of Misery - Bard 36 / SD 2 / BG 2
Halfling ( lucky, small stature) - Any non-lawful and Evil
Bard - any non lawful
SD - dodge, mobility, hide/ms10, tumble 5
BG - any evil, hide 5, cleave(str13, power attack)
widgets: clone, rest, songmaster, invis flag
items in order of priority: constitution, saves, charisma, regeneration
extended clarity, eth visage (for spell def)
Stats
Str 12
Dex 16
Con 14
Wis 8
Int 14
Chr 14
Skills - * Use class skills on bard levels - Hide 43, MS 43, Perform 43, Spellcraft 40, Tumble 5, discipline 43, UMD 39, OL 1
, Craft 1 (if using range)
Level 1 -Feat Bard 1 - Dodge,
Level 2 -Skill5 Bard 2 -
Level 3 -Feat Bard 3 - Mobility
Level 4 -Stat Bard 4 - Str 13 -
Level 5 - Bard 5 -
Level 6 -Feat Bard 6 - curse song
Level 7 -Skill10 Bard 7 -
Level 8 -Stat Bard 8 - Con 15 -
Level 9 -Feat Bard 9 - extra music
Level 10 - Bard 10 -
Level 11 - Bard 11 -
Level 12 -Skill15 Stat Feat Bard 12 -Con 16 - power atack
Level 13 - Bard 13 -
Level 14 - Bard 14 -
Level 15 -Feat - Bard 15 - cleave - SD needs dodge, mobility, hide 10,move silently 8,tumble 5
Level 16 -Stat - SD 1 - Con 17 -
Level 17 -Skill20 SD 2 - BG needs any evil, BAB +6, hide 5, cleave
Level 18 -Feat BG 1 - extend spell
Level 19 - BG 2 -
Level 20 -Stat Bard 16 - Con 18 -
Level 21 -Feat Bard 17 - Epic Con 19
Level 22 -Skill25 Bard 18 -
Level 23 - Bard 19 -
Level 24 -Stat Feat Bard 20 - Con 20, Epic Con 21
Level 25 - Bard 21 -
Level 26 - Bard 22 -
Level 27 -Feat Skill30 Bard 23 - EDR 1, Lasting Inspiration
Level 28 -Stat Bard 24 - Chr 15
Level 29 - Bard 25 -
Level 30 -Feat Bard 26 - EDR 2, ESF Hide
Level 31 - Bard 27 -
Level 32 -Skill35 Stat Bard 28 - Chr 16
Level 33 -Feat Bard 29 - EDR 3, ESF Discipline
Level 34 - Bard 30 -
Level 35 - Bard 31 -
Level 36 -Feat Stat Bard 32 - Chr 17, ESF will, ESF MS
Level 37 -Sk40 Bard 33 -
Level 38 - Bard 34 -
Level 39 -Feat Bard 35 - Epic perform, Epic fort
Level 40 -Stat Bard 36 - Chr 18
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